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		<title>Comment on Weekend visit to Richmond by Andrew</title>
		<link>http://andrew-mel-garland.com/pictures/weekend-visit-to-richmond/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carla,
I'm glad you like them. Could you email me so that I have your email address? My contact info is in the About page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carla,<br />
I&#8217;m glad you like them. Could you email me so that I have your email address? My contact info is in the About page.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekend visit to Richmond by Carla Murray</title>
		<link>http://andrew-mel-garland.com/pictures/weekend-visit-to-richmond/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great photos of Maymont! I'd love to have digital copies of them for possible use in Maymont publications, if you're willing to share. You could email them or mail on a disc. I'm especially interested in the one with the Japanese Garden stepping stones. Thanks!
Carla Murray, Assistant Director of Marketing &#38; PR, Maymont Foundation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great photos of Maymont! I&#8217;d love to have digital copies of them for possible use in Maymont publications, if you&#8217;re willing to share. You could email them or mail on a disc. I&#8217;m especially interested in the one with the Japanese Garden stepping stones. Thanks!<br />
Carla Murray, Assistant Director of Marketing &amp; PR, Maymont Foundation</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good things (and bad) about Obama&#8217;s win by Donald Garland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your political views / comments are very interesting , almost like you read my mind . possibly you should pursue a career in politics.
 If you and your wife are ever near newport news, williamsburg or gloucester va stop in to see us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your political views / comments are very interesting , almost like you read my mind . possibly you should pursue a career in politics.<br />
 If you and your wife are ever near newport news, williamsburg or gloucester va stop in to see us</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did anyone find this insulting? by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my attempt to stay succinct, maybe I'm not being clear.
&lt;blockquote&gt;But the poor guy—who works on his feet—can’t afford knee surgery, and you still say that’s not evidence enough of having a difficult life. I can’t believe you really think that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm not denying that the family might be in a difficult situation, and I'm fully aware of the cost of health care. I don't envy their situation -- I just doubt whether it has any probative value.
And I am skeptical (maybe a bit cynical) about the "snacks" thing. It doesn't seem like an appropriate example to demonstrate economic difficulty. The limited detail about their financial woes leave plenty of room for interpretation, and perhaps mine has been colored by other things. Maybe I compare them to my own situation (in which I do actually lay out over a quarter of my annual income for one thing). My point is that if their difficulties are 1. expensive health care, and 2. fewer snacks, then it sounds too much like a sob story. 
Healthcare is expensive for everyone. Suppose the man hurt his knee three years ago. Surgery would still have been expensive, maybe up to 25% of his income. But in the "better" economic times 3 (or 10) years ago, they could afford snacks. So it would appear that the major difference between then and now is the loss of snacks. Or am I misreading it?
Finally, I find it helpful to recall the broader context. Most people in the world would be thrilled to trade places with this family, bum knee and all. The video seems to imply that the family's loss is profound, but it's not. Unpleasant, sure. Potentially difficult, absolutely. But compared to what many people live with, it looks pretty nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my attempt to stay succinct, maybe I&#8217;m not being clear.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the poor guy—who works on his feet—can’t afford knee surgery, and you still say that’s not evidence enough of having a difficult life. I can’t believe you really think that.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that the family might be in a difficult situation, and I&#8217;m fully aware of the cost of health care. I don&#8217;t envy their situation &#8212; I just doubt whether it has any probative value.<br />
And I am skeptical (maybe a bit cynical) about the &#8220;snacks&#8221; thing. It doesn&#8217;t seem like an appropriate example to demonstrate economic difficulty. The limited detail about their financial woes leave plenty of room for interpretation, and perhaps mine has been colored by other things. Maybe I compare them to my own situation (in which I do actually lay out over a quarter of my annual income for one thing). My point is that if their difficulties are 1. expensive health care, and 2. fewer snacks, then it sounds too much like a sob story.<br />
Healthcare is expensive for everyone. Suppose the man hurt his knee three years ago. Surgery would still have been expensive, maybe up to 25% of his income. But in the &#8220;better&#8221; economic times 3 (or 10) years ago, they could afford snacks. So it would appear that the major difference between then and now is the loss of snacks. Or am I misreading it?<br />
Finally, I find it helpful to recall the broader context. Most people in the world would be thrilled to trade places with this family, bum knee and all. The video seems to imply that the family&#8217;s loss is profound, but it&#8217;s not. Unpleasant, sure. Potentially difficult, absolutely. But compared to what many people live with, it looks pretty nice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did anyone find this insulting? by Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The premise of the segment (at least from my point of view) was that the family was having to endure unusual economic stress, and that stress is tracable to Republican economic policies. Health care is expensive, but it’s not completely the Republicans’ fault.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama &lt;a href="http://thepage.time.com/script-of-obamas-30-minute-tv-ad/" rel="nofollow"&gt;didn't say it was "completely the Republicans' fault"&lt;/a&gt; (emphasis added): 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Obama:&lt;/strong&gt;We've seen over the last eight years how decisions by a president can have a profound effect on the course of history . and on American lives.

But much that's wrong in our country goes &lt;strong&gt;back even farther than that&lt;/strong&gt;.  We've been talking about the &lt;strong&gt;same problems for decades&lt;/strong&gt; . and nothing is ever done to solve them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it would have been more convincing and less insulting if they had found something other than snacks to couple with the surgery.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If the family's problem were "limited to fewer snacks," then I would agree that it would be trivial.  But the poor guy---who works on his feet---can't afford knee surgery, and you still say that's not evidence enough of having a difficult life.  I can't believe you really think that.

I'm not saying that Obama has the right solution to these problems, but no one can deny that health care has become more costly for most Americans, in many cases prohibitively so.  It's a real problem that isn't addressed by bloviating about how the injured persons are "fat and lazy" and "a bunch of whinners [sic]."  

The sample family according to the video lives in Kansas City, Missouri, where the median income is $46,012, and the average cost of ACL repair is $11,500.  I suspect that even those who were to take up Sara's suggestion to sell their Ford minivans, ride the bus everywhere, and trim their nails would have great difficulty laying out about a quarter of their annual income on any one item.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The premise of the segment (at least from my point of view) was that the family was having to endure unusual economic stress, and that stress is tracable to Republican economic policies. Health care is expensive, but it’s not completely the Republicans’ fault.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama <a href="http://thepage.time.com/script-of-obamas-30-minute-tv-ad/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('comments/thepage.time.com');" rel="nofollow">didn&#8217;t say it was &#8220;completely the Republicans&#8217; fault&#8221;</a> (emphasis added): </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Obama:</strong>We&#8217;ve seen over the last eight years how decisions by a president can have a profound effect on the course of history . and on American lives.</p>
<p>But much that&#8217;s wrong in our country goes <strong>back even farther than that</strong>.  We&#8217;ve been talking about the <strong>same problems for decades</strong> . and nothing is ever done to solve them.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Maybe it would have been more convincing and less insulting if they had found something other than snacks to couple with the surgery.</p></blockquote>
<p>If the family&#8217;s problem were &#8220;limited to fewer snacks,&#8221; then I would agree that it would be trivial.  But the poor guy&#8212;who works on his feet&#8212;can&#8217;t afford knee surgery, and you still say that&#8217;s not evidence enough of having a difficult life.  I can&#8217;t believe you really think that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that Obama has the right solution to these problems, but no one can deny that health care has become more costly for most Americans, in many cases prohibitively so.  It&#8217;s a real problem that isn&#8217;t addressed by bloviating about how the injured persons are &#8220;fat and lazy&#8221; and &#8220;a bunch of whinners [sic].&#8221;  </p>
<p>The sample family according to the video lives in Kansas City, Missouri, where the median income is $46,012, and the average cost of ACL repair is $11,500.  I suspect that even those who were to take up Sara&#8217;s suggestion to sell their Ford minivans, ride the bus everywhere, and trim their nails would have great difficulty laying out about a quarter of their annual income on any one item.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did anyone find this insulting? by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, not knowing the entire situation, I can comment only on the way it was presented...
Inability to afford surgery is relevant, but is also not especially unique. How many people couldn't afford such surgery -- presumably out of pocket -- before last year? I suspect that ACL surgery isn't cheap, and it wasn't cheaper a few years ago. I don't think it's a good economic indicator. 
If the infomercial had said that the family was forgoing snacks so that they could save for Dad's knee surgery, that would be great. It also wouldn't be useful for Obama's campaign. The premise of the segment (at least from my point of view) was that the family was having to endure unusual economic stress, and that stress is tracable to Republican economic policies. Health care is expensive, but it's not completely the Republicans' fault. 
Maybe it would have been more convincing and less insulting if they had found something other than snacks to couple with the surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, not knowing the entire situation, I can comment only on the way it was presented&#8230;<br />
Inability to afford surgery is relevant, but is also not especially unique. How many people couldn&#8217;t afford such surgery &#8212; presumably out of pocket &#8212; before last year? I suspect that ACL surgery isn&#8217;t cheap, and it wasn&#8217;t cheaper a few years ago. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good economic indicator.<br />
If the infomercial had said that the family was forgoing snacks so that they could save for Dad&#8217;s knee surgery, that would be great. It also wouldn&#8217;t be useful for Obama&#8217;s campaign. The premise of the segment (at least from my point of view) was that the family was having to endure unusual economic stress, and that stress is tracable to Republican economic policies. Health care is expensive, but it&#8217;s not completely the Republicans&#8217; fault.<br />
Maybe it would have been more convincing and less insulting if they had found something other than snacks to couple with the surgery.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did anyone find this insulting? by Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t want to bash the family at the beginning, and I wouldn’t wish economic hardship on them. But if their difficulty is limited to fewer snacks (or rationing them out over a week), I confess that I’m less sympathetic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What about the part where they put off surgery because they couldn't afford it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t want to bash the family at the beginning, and I wouldn’t wish economic hardship on them. But if their difficulty is limited to fewer snacks (or rationing them out over a week), I confess that I’m less sympathetic.</p></blockquote>
<p>What about the part where they put off surgery because they couldn&#8217;t afford it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did anyone find this insulting? by sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What lazy people. Fat and lazy. Period. I worked full time while going to college. My mom worked fulltime raising 12 kids, never on welfare. Saved money, paid in CASH… Not credit. Wear used clothing and worked for a fricken living.. These people in the commerical are not poor. geesh… why doesn’t the mother get rid of her fake nails and walk to the store or sell her car. These people are a bunch of whinners. My parents lived through the depression and NEVER asked for a dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What lazy people. Fat and lazy. Period. I worked full time while going to college. My mom worked fulltime raising 12 kids, never on welfare. Saved money, paid in CASH… Not credit. Wear used clothing and worked for a fricken living.. These people in the commerical are not poor. geesh… why doesn’t the mother get rid of her fake nails and walk to the store or sell her car. These people are a bunch of whinners. My parents lived through the depression and NEVER asked for a dime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statistics and political rhetoric by Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, McCain may be prone to overdo this kind of rhetoric. William McGurn and John Fund both recently noted in the Wall Street Journal that McCain already tends to shoot from the hip for moral judgments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's interesting, because recently I've read both David Brooks and George Will make similar points: basically that John McCain doesn't operate by political theory so must as attempt to cast everything as a moral crusade. 

I think they're right, and it's illustrated by yesterday's declaration that he is going to suspend his campaign until Congress works out the economic crisis. 

By the way, your text analysis reminded me of &lt;a href="http://technology.newscientist.com/article/mg19926746.200-software-spots-the-spin-in-political-speeches.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this software analysis of "spin"&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Each of the candidates had made speeches containing very high and very low levels of spin, according to Skillicorn's program, depending on the occasion. In general though, Obama's speeches contain considerably higher spin than either McCain or Clinton. For example, for their speeches accepting their party's nomination for president, Obama's speech scored a spin value of 6.7 - where 0 is the average level of spin within all the political speeches analysed, and positive values represent higher spin. In contrast, McCain's speech scored -7.58, while Hillary Clinton's speech at the Democratic National Convention scored 0.15. Skillicorn also found that Sarah Palin's speeches contain slightly more spin than average.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, McCain may be prone to overdo this kind of rhetoric. William McGurn and John Fund both recently noted in the Wall Street Journal that McCain already tends to shoot from the hip for moral judgments.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting, because recently I&#8217;ve read both David Brooks and George Will make similar points: basically that John McCain doesn&#8217;t operate by political theory so must as attempt to cast everything as a moral crusade. </p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re right, and it&#8217;s illustrated by yesterday&#8217;s declaration that he is going to suspend his campaign until Congress works out the economic crisis. </p>
<p>By the way, your text analysis reminded me of <a href="http://technology.newscientist.com/article/mg19926746.200-software-spots-the-spin-in-political-speeches.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('comments/technology.newscientist.com');" rel="nofollow">this software analysis of &#8220;spin&#8221;</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Each of the candidates had made speeches containing very high and very low levels of spin, according to Skillicorn&#8217;s program, depending on the occasion. In general though, Obama&#8217;s speeches contain considerably higher spin than either McCain or Clinton. For example, for their speeches accepting their party&#8217;s nomination for president, Obama&#8217;s speech scored a spin value of 6.7 - where 0 is the average level of spin within all the political speeches analysed, and positive values represent higher spin. In contrast, McCain&#8217;s speech scored -7.58, while Hillary Clinton&#8217;s speech at the Democratic National Convention scored 0.15. Skillicorn also found that Sarah Palin&#8217;s speeches contain slightly more spin than average.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on Making the Help Desk happy by Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're fortunate that you have a help desk that was able to use the information you sent and could provide a personalized answer.  Many of the ones I've had to deal with are &lt;em&gt;required&lt;/em&gt; to stick to a script: they can't say anything outside of a pre-determined range of answers, which can get maddening when  trying to discuss a detailed problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re fortunate that you have a help desk that was able to use the information you sent and could provide a personalized answer.  Many of the ones I&#8217;ve had to deal with are <em>required</em> to stick to a script: they can&#8217;t say anything outside of a pre-determined range of answers, which can get maddening when  trying to discuss a detailed problem.</p>
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